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June 21, 2007

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Scott

Great analogy. Career paths are a must for any organization.

Take it one step further. The whole church experience can be overwhelming for new believers. How about a discipleship path?

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Bryan Roberts

You had me at "six-figure income".

NOEL

Years ago I stumbled onto this McDonald's "Training Principle" that applies greatly to the church:

“We don’t ever train someone to make a hamburger. We train them to train others to make a hamburger. And in the process, they learn how to make a hamburger.”

Kathy J

As a CCC atender for 14 years I remember the old days when we had a similar "pipeline" on the back of our programs to help us move from seeker to believer to small group attender to leader etc. I was so driven to move through the steps and conquer each stage of growth. It was a weekly reminder that we were about GROWTH not just church attendance. -Kathy

Trevor H.

Obviously the McD's leadership model encourages upward mobility. I would love to hear some of your thoughts about Christ's leadership model. John the Baptist believed in downward mobility (John 3:30), Jesus led with a servant leadership, and as the church developed the Apostles assigned deacons as servant leaders in the mode of Christ.
How do the McD's model and the Biblical model compare and contrast?
As a passionate youth pastor, should I expect to give up my youth ministry and pursue a senior ministry or teaching ministry in order to expand my influence? Can I lead a church from a youth ministry position just as effectively?
If I stay in youth ministry is it right that a church continues to see me as second tier and financially compensate less, because I haven't "grow up" into a preaching pastor?

Some of this may be off topic to this post, but...

Anyways, thanks.

Dave Ferguson

We used to have a six-step model for growing a person up spiritually: 1. friend 2. seeker 3. believer 4. disiciple 5. servant 6. servant-leader. We ditched that because we thought it was too linear. We now have the 3C's of CELEBRATE (God:me), CONNECT (Church:me)and CONTRIBUTE (World:me). These are three relational experiences and you can start with any one of these experiences and become a 3C Christ Follower. Kathy and Scott, do you think this is better, worse or just different? Dave

Dave Ferguson

Trevor, let me briefly respond to a few of your questions. First, I don't know enough about McDonalds to comment on it's leadership model, however I do believe the most effective model of leadership for both church and business is throuhg servant leadership as lived out by Jesus and as explained by Robert Greeleaf in his classic Servant Leadership. Second, I think you should lead and serve out of your giftedness and passion. If your gifts and passion call you to serve students do that and expand your influence through using those gifts. I doubt you could lead an entire church as a youth pastor; only because your influence will be with only a slice of the existing demographic of most churches. No one should be seen as second tier if they are using thier gifts and should be compensated according to thier span of influence.

Kathy J

You caught me reminiscing about the good old days (but not wanting to return to the old ways). In answer to your question about the linear growth model vs. the current 3C experiences... The linear was an excellent tool for vision casting of what it means to begin growing in Christ but is only a subset of what the 3C begins to unfold as one delves deeper. Understanding the 3C's may take the new attender/believer a little longer to unpack but once engaged, there is a myriad of ways God can speak to the believer in terms of growth. The merit of both models is they are tools for vision casting as reminders of what we're reaching for but...3C wins the grand prize for be an all encompassing, informing, challenging model for being a Christ-follower. One goes deeper...deeper into becoming as one gets drawn into the eddy's forces. - Kathy

Dave Ferguson

"...as one gets drawn into the eddy's forces." Love it. Thanks Kathy.

michael

this makes me think about the book simple church. basically that mcdonalds is influencing future generations but the isn't.

this is based on a sample of 100 4-year olds that recognized the arches but not the supposed likeness of Christ.

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A McDonald's restaurant is operated by either a franchisee, an affiliate, or the corporation itself. The corporation's revenues come from the rent, royalties and fees paid by the franchisees, as well as sales in company-operated restaurants. McDonald's revenues grew 27% over the three years ending in 2007 to $22.8 billion, and 9% growth in operating income to $3.9 billion.

Marla Beard from CrossRoadsINDY

I worked for McDonald's. It was more than 15 years ago, but when they did the employee evaluations, they never gave points higher than 4 out of 5 for any performance category. No matter what.

I asked why this could be, and the manager said it's to give you something to strive for. Strive for what--when you know you will never be recognized for excellence?

I was in college at the time, so I just left that low-paying job to go to another low-paying, flexible job. I think this chain has figured out a new way to make their low-level flunkies feel they have something to strive for.

Elliott Broidy

I like the comparison!

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